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God/Edu

I wonder how, but I missed out our wonderful reader coolvaneegurl from my previous name listing. Anyway, Happy Belated Deepavali wishes :)

I hope everyone had a wonderful Deepavali celebration and finally, my celebration is over. It had dragged a week longer, and was packed with events. Thanks for all your wishes, and let’s get rolling again. I’ll keep this post as simple as possible before the next one, to see if you can comprehend what I’m trying to say through pictures. I’ve always written a lot, let me start off with less words this time.

My mother just came back from a temple (Kumbabishegam) which happens to be the glass temple in Johor. I laughed at myself when my mother started preaching about how uniquely the temple had been built. Well, of course, most of us would rather donate to temple rather than for education.

I’ll let you laugh at something unique today too :

Condition of Hindu Temples in Malaysia:

First class eh? Now let’s see Tamil School Condition in Malaysia…

Kadavulke kudekerethe kalvi ke kudengge pa…

Donate to education rather than God, the children are craving for facilities, and name me one God that asked for an air conditioned temple? Sigh.

41 comments to God/Edu

  • linda

    A picture is worth a thousand words !! Sadly, all religions are guilty of this.

  • realist

    God/Edu – this is a debatable matter.In both areas, the software plays a more important role than the hardware….divinity doesn’t depend on the structure/beauty of a temple. However, majestic temples are a blissful sight. The popular Tamil school issue – the question is who should take the initiative on improving the condition of Tamil schools? Should it be the HMs/teachers/parents/government/political parties/the public? I heard about the Johor temple too …i believe it was possible due to donations from Singaporeans…

  • TrueGemini

    hey,
    a suggestion..lets do this in a big scale!!
    there was this project by the chinese community and supported by guiness in klang, where they collected a huge amount of money to build up their schools.
    I am not by any chance trying to segregate us racially, bt that is a damn good idea.
    If we dont step up and do sumthing, it will be in vain..all talk and no action..
    i believe that ppl do generally have good intentions, bt there is no proper organization or initiative,so basicly, ppl who have an excess amount of money, have no idea whr to put thm, so they put in in temples to increase their karma..lol..simple logic!
    initiative by durai was a very good start, now lets dream bigger..
    WE CAN MAKE THIS HAPPEN!!anyone here to back me up??..i am dead serious..

  • realist

    @TrueGemini- though it may sound ambitious, it is do-able…let’s do it…

  • i agree with you. Every year my hubby will donate 1K to temple. i never like the idea but that is what he wants. when i say donate to school, he says the school will misuse the money and it will never reach the students.

    Maybe i should do this way, i will adopt one school and every year sponsor complete books and stationery to the best 10 students. and i will meet personally each students to give them what they deserve.

  • MasterMind

    Nowdays temple in Malaysia being demolished and one way to safe guard this temple to make it as tourist center so it could attract more tourist. Its noble but for some reason it become a place for people to make more money and its good also. Where all the money goes? Its should be redirected to schools that needs financial help thus could improve the standard of tamil schools and encourage more indian people to go to tamil schools.

  • M.K.

    I agree. This indeed is a huge issue. Rather than thinking of the future, people who’re well off rather spend their money in temples rather than helping the children. REASON? probably they’re more interested in saving their own asses (kononnya cleansing their karma off and showing off their spiritual side)rather than helping others. Besides they don’t send their children to tamil schools anyway, why bother eh?? I guess for them it’s no different than donating it to some random malay or chinese school.

    I love the ideas given by others to increase the well being of tamil schools, but in my opinion, what’s the use of donating (or try to) when there are no students in the school? so, the first step would be to SEND YOUR CHILDREN TO A TAMIL SCHOOL!! It doesn’t matter, state school kah estate school kah, when your child is studying in that school, don’t you automatically have a responsibility towards the well being of the school? When you get involved with one school, you automatically start contributing to other schools as well. You would also have a say in the PIBG, which would give you somewhat power to question or monitor what’s happening in the school. I know it is hard to change from saying ‘let’s help tamil schools’ to ‘let’s send our kids to a tamil school’, but we have to stop being hypocrites and start getting INVOLVED! Change the mindset that tamil schools are just for financially disadvantaged students. Have a doctor’s son study side-by-side with a rubber tapper’s son.

    I reckon many of the readers aren’t even married yet, but so what! lets make it a goal for the future, and at least try to persuade your parents, uncles, friends and family to send their children to a Tamil school. Lets stop comparing with the Chinese and start doing what they’ve been doing for decades. What do you guys say to that?

  • M.K.

    And yea….nearly forgot….awesome topic bro…and naarak kelvi at the end…lol…if only every Malaysian Indian were able to realise this….

  • I agree with M.K. About sending our kids to tamil school. still remember a fren of mine ask why aren’t u sending ur son to chinnese school, what u get by supporting tamil school. But i just kept quite. cause no point argue with that type of people. i know wat is the best for my son and i will never change my mind from decision i made.

  • yosikevendiya matteru thaa..

    p/s: durai message me ur num.

  • varsha

    hey….the Sungai Salak school….seeing it since I was in Secondary skul n can’t ustand y kids have 2 study in such small place…GOOD POST..:)

  • Hahaha….Oh God!!I got special wishes…in red summore…:P

    Good topic. I agree with TrueGemini and M.K. I agree that we should stop complaining and start to do something about it…But to me, I think the problem is the mentality. You know like people always say that if you give money to Tamil school the management will misuse it. Who is to be blamed here?? The management somewhere, sometime has given this kinda impression, so the public loss their trust and like a wildfire, words spreads(indian community le sollava venum??) and this kinda things are instill in their hearts. On the other hand, people know that even temple management also sometimes mis use the money but people trust them sooo much because it is instilled in our minds that temple people wont steal or misuse public’s money because it is temple and GOD is there and GOD will punish.

    You cant change the older generation because they are just too soaked up with thins kinda mentality. What we can do is to try and change this mentality for younger generations and teen generations that are mentally youthful. Feed the thought to this kids that when they grow up to be successful think back about the difficulties when they were studying and make it better for future generations which will include their kids as well.

    Agree??

  • Asshole

    Tamil schools produce stupid children. Most of them end up being criminals. Better to closed down Tamil schools for good.

  • Asshole

    Hey M.K only pariah Indian fellows send their children to Tamil school!!!

  • arasi

    Tamil schools may have produced stupid children but doesn’t produce Assholes…..

  • It has been 52 years since Malaysia obtained independence from the British on 31 August 1957. Since then the country has been witnessing progress by leaps and bounds in various sectors including the education sector. But there is still a loophole in our education system which appears to provide less prominence to vernacular education in the country. It is disheartening to see that there are still several Tamil schools with deplorable conditions and meagre facilities.

    It is really amazing yet shameful to know that SJK (T) Ladang Sg Salak is located at a shop house in Lukut, Negeri Sembilan. Previously, with the least of facilities and opportunities, there were schools relocated in Containers, and Pondoks (huts).

    Therefore the Indian communities (forget about those dumb MIC leaders) need to play more proactive roles in this matter to ensure that the down and out Indian children receive top-notch education in pleasant environments. If WE do not take a forward step to seek a solution for this school, no one would. Also each & everyone of us are obligated to ensure other Tamil schools will not be marginalized and sidelined in terms of providing excellent facilities and quality education to our younger generation..!!

  • M.K.

    well…sorry to prove you wrong buddy…but i’m from a Tamil school…a Tamil school which looked just like some of the Tamil schools above there…with students no more than ninety…and I dare say I’m doing really well…I might even be doing better than you…and i’m pretty sure I’m no pariah (whatever your definition for that may be)…lastly I would like to point out (just as Arasi did) that I’m not the one degrading myself to be an asshole…so get your facts right mate…and unless you have a good comeback for that…I wouldn’t bother replying…vaalga valamudan….=D

  • anthony

    Bro,i think u should ban people like (asshole) from commenting such a remark.He or she should get the facts right before giving a asshole remarks.

    This fellow must be eating shit rather than food.1 thing we should remember is that don’t blame the schools we study & blame urself for being a spoiled brat.

  • this was good bro..but sadly as time pass..indian are comin more dumb to donate more for temples rather than educations…god never asked humans to build a 100foot gold statue nor a glass temple…

  • Asshole

    Hello arasi madam, if u haven’t notice, assholes are the one’s that go far ahead. Most of the time this world is governed by assholes and the good guys get their ass screwed.

    And M.K, well MATE, the percentage of people like u produced by tamil schools is very low, hardly enough to make any impact on the indian community. Most of the time they produce kids who talks vulgar words and watch stupid indian movies and behave like low life’s in the road side. Its seems that their IQ level degrades when they come out of tamil schools. They have no respect for each other and fight like dogs, steal and end up dead in the lockup.

    And Anthony, you shit eating bitch, its freedom of speech and what i say is true. Check your facts first!!! Bastard!!!

  • can we have a clean comments ere..

  • TrueGemini

    hey asshole, i dont agree wit u..but love ur style mate :)

  • Anjali

    Not to offend anybody but I kind of agree with what asshole is trying to say. I studied in a Chinese school, I can understand that every school has its problems but Tamil schools tend to really have more problematic student as far I know. I stay in an area with an equal amount of people from all the 3 races; I mix with everyone from this suburb but tend to have more Indian friends I can’t seem to know why.
    Most of my Indian friends come from the local Tamil school which was over crowded. However most of them have a very common problem, they get much carried away with things that are not important. Puppy love, gossips of other peoples’ life, Tamil movies and bad words ‘and they are so damn nasty’. Education and learning is just something they have to do till they are 15, that also if they want to. I’m not saying everyone is like this but from the majority I see, this happens to be true.
    I don’t think the language being taught in the school is the problem, I have a strong feeling it is the movies, bad school administration, downright stupid teachers (if u want to have an affair or a fling with other teacher, do it out of the school)*and because of this, when the school relocated a bunch of teenagers who were former student of that school when there to have sex in the class room they use to study in, where is the respect for the place*
    I use to be a perfect in school; I was in charge of the ‘peralihan’ class in secondary school. Most of them in the class were from Tamil school, they could not even read ABC, but bad words, gossips and Tamil movie movies were perfect.
    The Tamil school had relocated and now is a 4 story building, but when I go back to my home town today, I see more bums lazing around, drinking, and causing problem to the community. I use to be able to walk to the shop at ten pm just 4 years back and now I won’t even go out or stay out after 8pm. It is a tragedy, but I have the Tamil school, to blame because I don’t think they emphasize enough the importance to stay in school, have good behavior and God sensor their words.
    Again I would definitely say that Tamil school does produce a larger number of bad students than good student, not because of the language that the class is conducted in but because of the teachers and administration there.

  • Anjali

    I 100% agree that being more proactive as suggested by Nithz and collecting funding to upgrade schools as pointed out by TrueGemini is a good idea. But the problem is not much the facility or the condition of the school, they are not schooling in a hut with no chairs or table, the real problem lays in the teaching and the teachers. Look again at how things are taught, and what is rendered interesting and what is not in schools, tamil movie ~ interesting, science and maths ~ boring.
    So if anyone ones to do anything for this children, try changing or getting visionaries as teachers and principles at this schools, not some stupid half educated people who cant get a job anywhere else and/or people who cant talk proper English to teach at this schools. Children learn by exemplary from teacher and parents, if they have good parents; hooray for them but if they dont and they teachers are useless as well, they well, they are usually doomed.

  • arasi

    @anjali-thanks for highlighting some pertinent points on this matter. To think of it, what’s the point of improving the infrastructure when the quality of teaching & guidance suffer in Tamil schools….
    @Asshole-what are you saying man? world governed by assholes?? kah kah kah…couldn’t imagine the scenariolah, sorry.

  • M.K.

    @asshole and anjali -

    actually i kinda agree with u guys too…in the sense that many of the crazy indians out there come from Tamil schools…they are illiterate, rowdy and freaking childish…but don’t students from other schools get involved as well?? think about it…wealthy and middle class students usually end up in a Malay school, or even a Chinese school…and OBVIOUSLY they’re gonna end up doing way better….y?? because there are other (bigger)influences called family, expensive tuition, etc…..so the students who usually end up in Tamil schools are usually children of low income earners….and students with attention/learning deficiency (some parents actually brought their kids in to Tamil schools to get at least some sort of basic education…and left their ’smart’ children in Malay schools….=S)…i’m pretty sure these sort of students would do the same in Malay schools as well (or worse)…since Tamil movies and and other stuffs are more of a household influence rather than school related…

    about the school teachers and principal….as far as I know…with less students, there is obviously more attention for every individual student…and there has also been new regulations stating that every teacher is supposed to have sufficient qualification in order to teach….(forgot the actual term….though its at least a Dip. in Education I think…its been up for only a few years…so the teaching quality now is WAY BETTER than it used to be Anjali)…in the school I was from, I dare say the teachers showed great determination, sacrifice and perseverance in making sure the children get the best education they could afford (with the limited resources they had….and no…i’m not saying this just to make it look more dramatic)…there were a few other crappy teachers…but hey! every school has them right?? and if u guys talk about bad influnce…SERIOUSLY! don’t the other schools have bad influences as well??

    what i’m trying to say here again is Tamil school, actually could do more good than harm to the society if we actually give it a chance to grow…comparing just the number of school students who are doing well from Tamil school with other schools is just wrong…since there are so many more factors influencing this issue (socio economic status, infrastructure, FAMILY!)…again…it is easier to just condemn Tamil schools…and start pointing fingers at other people (teachers, government)…but what we forget is that these are problems faced by ANY school…so guys….no personal grudge or whatever…but that is what I meant by asking you to get your facts right before you start saying all Tamil school students are pariahs and they mostly CREATES childish illiterate drunkards…

  • anthony

    Asshole

    October 28th, 2009 at 6:38 am
    Hey M.K only pariah Indian fellows send their children to Tamil school!!!

    Hello asshole bitch & bastard(i use this word coz u used it 1st),i know in this blog u have the right to comment or freedom of speech ok…..using the word pariah to ur elders is not a proper word from such a OXFORD or HARVARD UNI educated asshole like u.

    How many tamil schools or how many students from there is a criminal or bad people living in m’sia?Did u visited all the schools & get the facts is it?

    If u tell other parents are pariah for sending their children to tamil school,i m 100% sure ur parents are pariah too to have such an BLOODY BASTARD ASSHOLE LIKE U.(how do u feel others call ur parents pariah)???

    I am sorry to say that word about ur parents just to make u realise not to hurt other parents by telling pariah ok…..

    Think that other reader & commenters agree with me on this????

  • Asshole

    Dey anthony pundek u rice christian, u can use any word u want. Even in the world or in the UN no one judges u because of your age you tamil school shit. The stupid parent’s rather have ASTRO in their rumah haram than to buy school book’s for their children. Dont be like hindraf. After the rally, all of them break up and form their own party and an idiot be the stupid fucking indian TALAIVA and u guy’s going to kiss hiss ass for the next two decades. No point u guy’s buy KFC of supply mee goreng for depavali every year. It doesn’t make much difference than this bloody stupid talaiva doing. Do something to change the mind set of these student’s and their parents. Get involve in their lives and dedicate yourself. No point talking cock here you stupid Anthony you rice christian convert shit.

    And ARASI or ARASI BASI, if u haven’t noticed the indian community here is being ruled by an asshole for 2 decades. And u guy’s have been kissing his ass for that long and now complain about the condition of tamil school’s ???

    Fuck u la u tamil school indian movie brain retards.

  • Asshole

    Dey MK, Look at the reality. U can go to a pre school tamil school and find kids talking about another kids mother’s cunt. That’s how bad Tamil school is. Indian movie influence or some shit pariah parents droppings. At least in national schools these kids are exposed to other norms and gets a chance to learn more and discover life is not like indian movies. Indian movies are the source of our social problems, like sullan, Aai, sivaji the shit, kuruvi, butuh, cibai, lancau and ect. These children rather memorize these stupid indian movie lines than knowing someone like Albert Einstein or knowing what is going on in the world today. Even their parents are shit heads. ” Ave lori otena pothum. company la sombulum varu, athu vechikutu namma astro bill kattu vom. Stupid pariah’s . These kind of people should be sent to death camps. Creating criminals than intellects. And they always smell like shit.!!!! and they breed like dogs!!!

  • Anjali

    @M.K.
    Sorry…“less students, there is obviously more attention for every individual student”… RIGHT!!
    How many Tamil school students you know of who get all A’s for UPSR and what is their percentage to the total number of students in that school, 1%… 2%….?And what “facts” are you talking about? I can’t seem to find any online, where did you get your? Can I have a look at them? I would be guessing that you are making an assumption as well, so don’t ask me to check my facts, cos as I have stated I was only talking from what I have observed in my suburb. Cite your source if you have one.
    “they are illiterate, rowdy and freaking childish…but don’t students from other schools get involved as well” No we are not arguing whether other school kids are like that but of the percentage you know of, do Malay or Chinese school produce as much illiterate, rowdy and freaking childish adults compare to Tamil schools.
    “wealthy and middle class students usually end up in a Malay school, or even a Chinese school” As I have mention in my earlier post I had a Chinese school education, I had a friend in that school who stayed in a rumah haram and is an Indian girl and is from a low income group. So don’t tell me that wealthy and middle class students are the majority in the Chinese and Kebangsaan schools. Don’t you think there are poor Malay and Chinese students in schools? How is it that they get into schools, and the Indian’s can’t? It is a preference the parents make, they don’t really care what their children learn, as long they go to school (again talking in general here). They don’t think far at all, like that happens when they go to sekolah menengah. So by chucking them in Tamil school the parents have less work to do, they don’t have to check on their kids, like those who choose to send their kids to Chinese or Malay school, cos it is language they speak daily at home and kids won’t have problem with it. So it is a CHOICE to send one’s kid to Tamil school, it has nothing to do with how much of money a person has, we are talking about government schools not private ones. “(some parents actually brought their kids in to Tamil schools to get at least some sort of basic education…and left their ’smart’ children in Malay schools)” Again it is a CHOICE one makes, not social-economically related.
    And P.S I never had any tuition when I was in primary school period.
    “So the students who usually end up in Tamil schools are usually children of low income earners….and students with attention/learning deficiency”
    Are you telling me that all the retarded kid in Tamil school even when they are not Indian kid?
    As far as teachers are concern, all those who got an A in Tamil and didn’t fail their BM can apply for being a teacher at a Tamil school. *there are a handful of wonderful dedicated and aspiring Tamil school teachers but most are just rejects and just doing it for the money.* Yes I do know that they are giving training for teachers, but do you know what they are taught? Do you think they make sure that before being able to teach primary school, this ‘teachers” are put to a test and have to at least get all A’s for a UPSR Exam?
    All schools have bad influence but Tamil schools have more than the others as far as I can see.
    OK, who started this blog, what is it about? We’re talking about if Tamil school need to be abolish or can be repaired and if can be repaired what is it that needs to be repair.
    End of the day, I feel that the infrastructure, facilities and government can do nothing if the teachers and parents of this children are screwed up. By just having either a supportive school or home environment would be a great help for any kid. Since most Indian homes are not that great, I suggest Indian schools should try helping this student and to do so better teachers and school administration is need.

  • anthony

    Dei asshole pig licker & pariah dog fucker,its my mistake to comment ur fucking words.U r a damn asshole as ur name.Coward like u name urself as asshole.Is that ur teacher or ur parents teach u & call u at home(does ur parents call u asshole)?If yes they also asshole like u to talk about other religion.

    U have not right to talk about United Nation,politics or any1 else in this world.Actually u should not live at all.Go & fuck ur own ass as u like ur asshole very much.

    Ur parents should be ashame to have such a PARIAH ASSHOLE like u.Next time u eat something i assume that u r eating dog or pig shit or even cow dung.Remember this while eating ur next food……Hahahahahahaha

    I won’t visit this blog anymore to read nonsense comments that people like asshole pig licker is writing.May his soul rest in peace.Remember asshole next meal u eat is shit>>>>>>

  • Whooaaaa!! Turn off the heat people…It is getting hot in here… Sorry to interfere but seriously guys…This blog entry is debating if the M-O-N-E-Y should be spent on temples or should be spent for education.Quote “Kadavulke kudekerethe kalvi ke kudengge pa…”. Kalvi ke kudengge means not give the money to built a school from gold…it means give the money to help the education in terms of Indian schools. Give money to poor children who cant afford books, give money to build some organization to train tamil school teachers, give money to the school to provide for extra class….Why is the debate on about tamil school students being illiterate drunkards??

    @M.K: I agree with you hands down.

    @Anjali: Quote “No we are not arguing whether other school kids are like that but of the percentage you know of, do Malay or Chinese school produce as much illiterate, rowdy and freaking childish adults compare to Tamil schools”

    I can bravely say they do. Maybe in your area as you said you cant see it but come out to the world and see. They do. Chinese schools produces Ah longs, how many ah longs you know of that cant speak languages other than Chinese proving my point per se….Kebangsaan schools are the one who produced cow head protesters not tamil school??

    If we want to look at the negative everywhere also negative only lar. Look on the bright side. Why not help poor children whom their parents cant even afford to put proper food on the table rather than building temple made out of glass and gold? If teachers are the problem, use the money to give them extra training. Win-Win situation rite…The teachers get more knowledge therefore the students get better education.

    *Grabs a Mars bar while enjoying the on going debate*

  • realist

    as i said before, this matter is a debatable one & the current debate in this blog is on the right track as some readers feel that money should be channeled to Tamil schools instead of to gaudy temples while others feel that it would be a worthless effort as Tamil schools do not produce good Malaysian Indian citizens. Each reader is giving his/her own viewpoint based on their observation & experience.If i send my children to a national secondary school, no doubt there could be spoilt children irrespective of race but there is a higher chance of my children being spoilt by their own race…which primary school produces more of such Indian children? That is a soalan cepu emas….ok, if we accept that Tamil schools aren’t doing good for Indian children, what do we do next? Do we blame & shame them, ignore the existence of Tamil schools or air out our frustation in a non-committed manner or do we take ownership of the issue ?

  • arasi

    @Asshole – and what were you doing for the past 2 decades during the rule of the asshole? Ok, if you were just a few years ago, it is still not too late to lead us as you make your self sound like you are a better Indian…& please feel free to shoot me with all vulgarities as it won’t affect me one bit & I am quite used to getting that whenever i voice something contraversial even if it is the bitter truth about Indians….if you are an Indian, stop addressing other Indians as `they’ & start saying we no matter which class/caste you belong to…

  • Comment number 32/33 by -coolvaneegurl- and realist sums it all. That is all the context of this post.

    I don’t understand how this topic got deviated from what I wanted to convey in the first place.

    Well, I’m not going to ban anyone as when I started this blog I’ve already mentioned that anyone is free to express whatever their opinion is – BUT name-calling others with the intention of provoking is definitely not allowed. With that said, this would serve as yet another warning to asshole or any other person not to resort to name calling others unnecessarily. I hope you respect my decision just like how I allow your vulgar words or’pariah’ talks in the name of freedom of speech(kononnyer).

    Thank you.

  • M.K.

    I really did not expect this much retaliation….so sorry bout that guys…but i think the idea I wanted to convey has reached some at least…so I would like to make this comment short…

    http://www.aliran.com/oldsite/monthly/2002/5f.html

    http://www.articlesbase.com/news-and-society-articles/is-abolishing-tamil-schools-the-solution-313827.html

    here are some of the sources you asked for…although there aren’t too many online sources available to talk about this issue…but I do get my stats from reliable sources…and of course a whole lot of experience….since I have been following the Tamil school problem closely for a while now, which has given me a good understanding of whatever the situation is right now…so when I talk about facts I do mean facts…

    @ Anjali – i see you have gone through a great deal to rebut my comments sentence by sentence (even though I can’t quite get what you mean with some of your arguments)…but I think all your questions can be cleared by the articles…as well as my previous comments…I do not deny that there are alot of problems circulating this issue (i.e. infrastructure, for some, management)…and there is room for improvement…but yea…have a look at the articles…again…no hard feelings but I just don’t want you to look at this issue from a superficial point of view…

    BACK TO THE POST…i could only reiterate whatever enganne Durai has said and say it together with him….

    KADAVLUKKU KUDUKERETHE KALVIKKE KUDUNGE PAA!!!

  • M.K.

    I did not expect my comments to go that way…I guess it kinda got deviated in the act of me defending my ideas…so sorry bout that Durai…i’ll try to keep my post short this time since my ideas have at least reached certain people….(TRY!)…

    http://www.aliran.com/oldsite/monthly/2002/5f.html

    http://www.articlesbase.com/news-and-society-articles/is-abolishing-tamil-schools-the-solution-313827.html

    these are some of the sources which you asked for….too bad there isn’t much I could show you in the net…but I do get my stats and facts from reliable sources…and of course much of my ideas also come out of experience…since I have been following this issue closely for a while now…so when I say facts…i do mean facts and not mere assumptions…I see you took the trouble to rebut my points sentence by sentence (even though I genuinely didn’t understand what you were trying to say with some of those ideas)…but really…I think all the answer is in the sources and my previous comments as well as comments from the others…if you still think that is not the description the school that you talk about is made of…then seriously…that is not what OTHER Tamil schools are like…i don’t want to beat around the bush any more…again….no hard feelings…I just don’t want you to look at this issue and start commenting from a superficial point of view….so yea…read the sources….and google up more if you really want to more about this issue…

  • M.K.2

    I did not expect my comments to go that way…I guess it kinda got deviated in the act of me defending my ideas…so sorry bout that Durai…i’ll try to keep my post short this time since my ideas have at least reached certain people….(TRY!)…

    http://www.aliran.com/oldsite/monthly/2002/5f.html

    http://www.articlesbase.com/news-and-society-articles/is-abolishing-tamil-schools-the-solution-313827.html

    these are some of the sources which you asked for….too bad there isn’t much I could show you in the net…but I do get my stats and facts from reliable sources…and of course much of my ideas also come out of experience…since I have been following this issue closely for a while now…so when I say facts…i do mean facts and not mere assumptions…I see you took the trouble to rebut my points sentence by sentence (even though I genuinely didn’t understand what you were trying to say with some of those ideas)…but really…I think all the answer is in the sources and my previous comments as well as comments from the others…if you still think that is not the description the school that you talk about is made of…then seriously…that is not what OTHER Tamil schools are like…i don’t want to beat around the bush any more…again….no hard feelings…I just don’t want you to look at this issue and start commenting from a superficial point of view….so yea…read the sources….and google up more if you really want to more about this issue..

  • malp

    when it comes to education, no child should be deprived. it is our responsibility as adults to ensure they are given the best. the needs of children, regardless of race, should always be taken care of, because in many ways they r just helpless. and when we wish to provide for them educationally, giving them our best is the only way, not setting up haphazard schools for them to learn it. its not important to build schools like palaces, just ensure that they have all the most basic necessities and as long as they are learning in comfortable and conducive environments. so definitely, if we can build such monumental temples, wouldnt it be more worthy to spend on children, the ones who need us to shape their educational future. we could change the course of their lives.

  • hahaha…i enjoyed readin dis one….i agree wif sum readers,we need to reunite to upgrade our community and ur post is da eye opener..opps mind n heart open too….studied in an english school,till today i cant speak proper tamil nor read nor write and i feel ashamed bout it.Workin in a foreign country in a human resource field, I can speak other languages like tagalog,mandarin,burmese, but not a fluent tamil.and i was laughed by my colleagues for this.and once,i still remember i went for an interview.and during the interview session,da interviewer made fun by saying ur own mother tongue u dun know anything …den wats da point of u being an indian ? the interviewer was a japanese.
    wat i am trying to express here is nowadays knowin our own language is a plus point to get job faster,it helps to get another A in our report cards.Even Astro channel Vannavil has got its own programme to upgrade da usage of tamil and showin to people da importance of da language.

    Last but no least,we should be proud of our own language.We should be proud to encourage our children to learn our language n it comes from da place called TAMIL SCHOOLS.

  • Geetha

    its been awhile since i read your blog. good topic. in fact, the other day one of my sri lankan friend asked me, why people waste so much of milk and coconuts during thiruvullas (esp. when they pour hundreds of cartons of milk on god and break hundreds of coconuts on road). he reasoned that instead of letting all that food material to go to waste, why not donate to poor people or the orphanage, surely god wont mind. i was lost for words. as much as i would love to defend my religion, what he said made sense and it was something i had always thought of but never told anyone (except for my dad, as he has the same kind of thinking as me). if you ask me, a glass, gold, bronze, largest, floating, etc temple or school fully equipped with internet facilities, better laboratory, better paid and good quality teachers, CLEAN toilets etc.??? I would go for the latter anytime of the day.

    whoever said, tamil schools dont produce good quality students, please dont stereotype. a number of my friends and family members studied in tamil schools and they turned out to be quality citizens with good jobs.i came from a convent school and the amount of discipline problems there are just as much as tamil schools. in fact, i would love to send my own children to tamil school someday.

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